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[00:20] Kinbote
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would it be possible to use zermomq as a kind of "router" for udp traffic, specfically SIP+RTP?
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[01:04] stodge
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Anyone know if there are ubuntu packages for openpgm/zeromq/pyzmq?
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[01:05] stodge
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Oops - accidentally left the channel. Did my question make it?
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[01:06] stodge
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Are there Ubuntu packages for openpgm/zeromq/pyzmq?
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[01:31] stodge
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How do I build pyzmq with openpgm support? I built openpgm, built zeromq --with-pgm and then built pyzmq. But zmq.EPGM isn't available
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[16:09] Steve-o
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sustrik: have a new alternative to types.h, following MSVC's CRT definitions
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[17:36] sustrik
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Steve-o: would that fix the 0mq build?
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[17:37] sustrik
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i've undefined bool
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[17:37] sustrik
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which fixed sunstudio build
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[17:37] sustrik
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however, the msvc build is still broken
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[17:37] sustrik
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no idea of what's going to
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[17:37] sustrik
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on*
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[17:37] Steve-o
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msvc has never complained here
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[17:38] Steve-o
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haven't tested 0mq & sunpro for a long while
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[17:38] Steve-o
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got an output log?
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[17:44] sustrik
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wait a sec
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[17:45] sustrik
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Steve-o: http://build.zero.mq/job/ZeroMQ2-core-master_MSVC-win7/184/console
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[17:45] sustrik
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that's 0mq master
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[17:45] sustrik
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it looks like there's still problem with bool
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[17:45] sustrik
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note that the "missing" function has bool argument
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[17:46] Steve-o
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I see
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[17:46] sustrik
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it's pgm_sender and pgm_receiver
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[17:46] sustrik
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which include pgm_socket
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[17:46] sustrik
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which in turn include pgm.h
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[17:47] Steve-o
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so what changed, how come 2.1.0 builds fine?
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[17:48] sustrik
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so what happened is that i've added a new argument to one internal 0mq function
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[17:48] sustrik
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it was a bool argument
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[17:49] Steve-o
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and conflicts trickled through, ok
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[17:49] sustrik
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right
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[17:49] sustrik
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then i've added something like this:
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[17:49] sustrik
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#include <pgm.h>
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[17:49] sustrik
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#ifdef bool
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[17:49] sustrik
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#undef bool
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[17:49] sustrik
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#endif
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[17:49] Steve-o
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as per your mail
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[17:49] sustrik
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yes
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[17:50] sustrik
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that fixed the sunstudio build
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[17:50] sustrik
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but caused different errors in msvc build
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[17:50] sustrik
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the ones you see now
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[17:51] Steve-o
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so the header and the code are using different definitions of bool still
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[17:52] sustrik
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yes, looks like that
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[17:52] guido_g
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howdy
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[17:52] sustrik
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no idea what exactly is wrong
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[17:52] sustrik
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hi
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[17:52] Steve-o
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well pgm.h is only included twice
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[17:52] sustrik
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yes
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[17:52] sustrik
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i've undefed bool at both places
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[17:52] guido_g
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any ideas why (e)pgm stopped working on the master?
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[17:53] sustrik
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no, but it looks like 0mq problem
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[17:53] guido_g
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ahh ok
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[17:53] sustrik
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presumably one of the recent patches have broken it
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[17:53] guido_g
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just asking because there was no feedback to the mail
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[17:54] sustrik
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are you experiencing the problem?
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[17:54] sustrik
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my problem is i have no test env
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[17:54] sustrik
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so it's hard for me to find out what's the problem
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[17:54] guido_g
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yes, i experienced the problem and reported it
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[17:54] sustrik
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i may try pgm over loopback though...
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[17:54] guido_g
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huh?
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[17:55] sustrik
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i have just a single box :)
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[17:55] guido_g
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lo doesn't do multicast
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[17:55] guido_g
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too bad
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[17:55] Steve-o
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my blade chassis is switched off and 50,000 miles away, I only have a windows laptop currently
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[17:55] Steve-o
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:D
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[17:55] sustrik
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still in NY?
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[17:56] Steve-o
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back in HK next week
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[17:56] Steve-o
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just working through a lot of contractor jobs
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[17:56] sustrik
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right
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[17:56] sustrik
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guido_g: there's simulated multicast over lo
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[17:56] sustrik
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i may try that
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[17:57] guido_g
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you simply use the external ip, mc isn't routed anyway
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[17:57] guido_g
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btw, this was the setup where i first discovered that something went wrong
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[17:58] guido_g
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normaly mc traffic is also routed back to the originating host
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[17:58] sustrik
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if i do that i won't see whether the message goes through or not
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[17:58] guido_g
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huh?
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[17:58] guido_g
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sorry, can't follow you
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[17:59] sustrik
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when i use a multicast group that nobody listens to
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[17:59] sustrik
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"you simply use the external ip, mc isn't routed anyway"
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[18:00] guido_g
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ment to mean that the mc traffic is not gouing to leave your local network when using the external ip of you box
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[18:00] guido_g
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and you don't have to play tricks w/ the network stack to make lo mc aware
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[18:01] guido_g
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or did you mean multicast loopback?
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[18:01] sustrik
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ok
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[18:01] sustrik
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yep
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[18:01] guido_g
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ahhh...
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[18:01] guido_g
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sorry
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[18:01] guido_g
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my fault then
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[18:01] sustrik
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never mind
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[18:01] guido_g
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i assumed loopback device
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[18:02] sustrik
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i'll try that am i'll see whether i can discover the bug that way
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[18:02] guido_g
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ok
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[18:02] guido_g
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thanks
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[18:02] guido_g
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if you think you have it, i can try it w/ two machines
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[18:13] Steve-o
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sustrik: ugggggh, so I really have to use a pgm_bool_t? Is MSVC picking up BOOL from inside pgm.h and breaking some C++ templates expecting bool?
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[18:23] Steve-o
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the xtree template warning with bool/BOOL conflict no longer occurs with OpenPGM trunk
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[18:24] Steve-o
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i.e. the new types.h: http://code.google.com/p/openpgm/source/browse/trunk/openpgm/pgm/include/pgm/types.h
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[18:33] pieterh
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sustrik, do we have a place in the git for tools like web api generation?
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[18:33] sustrik
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Steve-o: well, i'm not sure what's exactly going on
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[18:33] sustrik
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pieterh_: hm, not yet
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[18:33] pieterh
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I guess this applies also to mikko's tools
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[18:34] sustrik
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the build system is scattered across the directiories
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[18:34] sustrik
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which is how autotools work
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[18:34] sustrik
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what about putting the scripts to doc subdir?
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[18:34] pieterh
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hmm, ok what I'll do is make a separate tool that does this work
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[18:34] pieterh
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in its own git
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[18:34] pieterh
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since we have other projects with the same needs, e.g. zfl
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[18:35] sustrik
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as you wish
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[18:35] sustrik
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however, there are documentation generation scripts in doc subdir
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[18:35] sustrik
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so placing one more there won't be completely ridiculous
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[18:36] sustrik
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Steve-o: i though that undefining bool should solve the issue...
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[18:36] pieterh
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sustrik, what's there now is the straight man->txt/xml stuff
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[18:36] Steve-o
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not defining in the first place is better :D
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[18:36] pieterh
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let me think this over for a couple of hours
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[18:37] sustrik
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pieterh_: txt->man/http
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[18:37] sustrik
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html*
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[18:37] sustrik
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Steve-o: yes
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[18:37] pieterh
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yes, txt to man/html/xml
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[18:37] pieterh
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I'm using the xml as input for this process
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[18:37] sustrik
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but as far as I understand you use your "bool" in PGM API, right?
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[18:38] sustrik
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pieterh: what xml?
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[18:38] pieterh
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try 'make zmq.xml' in the doc directory
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[18:38] sustrik
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it's some intermediate asciidoc step?
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[18:38] sustrik
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a-ha
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[18:38] pieterh
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sure
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[18:38] sustrik
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i see
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[18:38] pieterh
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docbook xml format
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[18:39] sustrik
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Steve-o: maybe the bool in the API should be simply changed to int
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[18:40] sustrik
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pieterh_: i would say generating the wikidot source could be part of the build process
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[18:40] sustrik
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it introduces dependency on perl though
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[18:40] pieterh
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sustrik, indeed
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[18:41] Steve-o
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try the update first, although it might indeed be that BOOL is too strongly typed
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[18:41] pieterh
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let's aim for stand-alone tool which mikko can then integrate into his build processes
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[18:41] sustrik
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pieterh_: ok
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[18:41] sustrik
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Steve-o: ok
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[18:41] pieterh
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:-)
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[18:42] pieterh
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if there are other things we can profitably mechanically upload to the wiki, let me know
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[18:43] sustrik
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ultimately, the docs for stable version
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[18:43] sustrik
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on the other hand, raw html is much faster than wikidot
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[18:43] sustrik
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it's a trade-off, speed vs. nice design
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[18:47] pieterh
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up to you, really
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[18:47] pieterh
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it's faster with pure HTML but we can do more interesting things with Wikidot, e.g. Table of Contents, navigation, etc.
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[18:48] pieterh
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our limiting factor is URLs, really
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[18:48] pieterh
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api.zeromq.org/2.1.0/zmq_bind would work
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[18:48] pieterh
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for each stable version released
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[18:49] pieterh
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there are still people using 2.0.8 in production...
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[18:49] pieterh
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sorry, my bad, wikidot doesn't allow subdirectories...
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[18:50] pieterh
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api.zeromq.org/2-1-0:zmq_bind
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[18:52] sustrik
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no preference
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[18:52] sustrik
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should we ask on the ml?
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[19:08] pieterh
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sustrik: ack
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[21:28] mikko
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g'evening
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[22:03] pieterh
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mikko, top of the evening to you!
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[22:43] sustrik
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pieterh_: still there?
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[22:57] Steve-o
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wow, it's surprisingly tedious to detect single core machines with hyper-threading
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[22:58] mikko
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Steve-o: runtime?
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[22:58] Steve-o
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yup
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[22:59] Steve-o
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Windows XP SP3 has a backported API to walk the CPU topology to count packages, cores, logical processors
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[22:59] Steve-o
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CPUID seems to be a bit broken on new i3, i5, i7 processors
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[22:59] Steve-o
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every Unix has it's own custom API or /proc system
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[23:00] Steve-o
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I'm trying to see if I can at runtime catch the case of 1 core with HT enabled to stop spinlocks spinning
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[23:01] Steve-o
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it's probably futile as on Linux at least the system clock is pretty much only low resolution in such configurations as HT causes it to jump all over the place
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[23:02] mikko
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i got a vague memory about reading about this or something related
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[23:03] Steve-o
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I have something working in Windows but it's probably not worth committing
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[23:04] Steve-o
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I already use hyper-threading CPU pauses in spinlocks so that multi-core HT systems run fine
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[23:06] mikko
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btw, i don't know whether you saw this:
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[23:06] mikko
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https://github.com/mkoppanen/zeromq2/tree/openpgm-autoconf
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[23:07] mikko
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seems to be functional now
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[23:10] Steve-o
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ok great
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[23:10] mikko
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intel seems to have articles on detecting HT
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[23:10] mikko
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but when i try to follow the link to the article it 404s
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[23:11] Steve-o
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just have the recent fixes from sustrik for C++ and should be good to release soon
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[23:11] Steve-o
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detecting HT is easy with CPUID, counting the physical cores is a bit difficult
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[23:11] Steve-o
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or rather the number of logical processors CPUID returns no longer appears valid
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[23:12] Steve-o
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there's a question on stackoverflow with i7 cores
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[23:12] Steve-o
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anyway, must dash, ciao
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[23:13] mikko
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see you
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