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[01:41] lechon
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mikko, i hope you've been able to get to sleep by now :]
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[01:41] lechon
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i will think about the proposal a bit more and will send out some ideas soon
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[01:42] mikko
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no
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[01:42] mikko
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still up
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[01:42] mikko
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looked into udt sockets a bit
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[01:43] lechon
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what do you think about them?
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[01:43] mikko
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seems like a nice idea
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[01:44] mikko
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the api is very friendly if you have done socket programming
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[01:44] lechon
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udt.sf.net?
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[01:45] mikko
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yes
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[01:56] lechon
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yeah, just like sockets
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[02:12] jhawk28
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https://github.com/bittorrent/libutp is another one
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[05:55] traviscline
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i'm writing a compat layer with pyzmq and a greenlet lib (gevent) and want to do some performance testing of a few configurations: namely: pure c, vanilla pyzmq, my pure python greened version, and a cython verision of my greened code
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[05:55] traviscline
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I initially set up a little harness to send 1mil random ints from a c producer and just saw how fast I consumed with the various configurations
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[05:56] traviscline
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I want to know if this seems like a valid test to compare the basic overhead of the alternate python options
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[05:56] traviscline
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I basically want to determine how much overhead is incurred by using the greened version of pyzmq (and do some work to minimize it)
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[05:56] traviscline
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thoughts?
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[06:05] Steve-o
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Similar to the pyzmq graphs previously published?
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[09:14] mikko
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good morning
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[09:21] guido_g
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morning
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[10:17] kabs
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Hello, I tried writing hello-world application for pub-sub system in c, but when I complile it , I get these errors http://pastebin.com/n8F3CG8c , what libs it is looking for , I have already installed zeromq-2.0.10 on my system
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[10:19] mikko
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-lzmq
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[10:19] mikko
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you are not linking against libs
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[10:33] kabs
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Thanks you, it worked!!
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[13:44] benoitc
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/j/win 18
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[14:31] pythonirc1011
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I'm trying to build zeromq python bindings on win 7 64-bit with 32-bit python installed and am getting in trouble. Can anyone help please?
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[14:31] pythonirc1011
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the compilation of libzmq.dll is fine. but "python setup.py build" looks for libzmq.lib ?
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[14:32] mikko
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pythonirc1011: yes
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[14:32] mikko
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as far as i understand windows is that you link against .libs
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[14:33] mikko
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.dll for runtime and .lib for linking
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[14:33] pythonirc1011
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mikko: the problem is that when i try to create .lib files from zeromq code, it fails on VS2010
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[14:33] mikko
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pythonirc1011: whats the issue?
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[14:33] pythonirc1011
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lots of unresolved symbols
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[14:34] pythonirc1011
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stuff like this -- http://paste.pocoo.org/show/323265/
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[14:35] mikko
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how do you create .lib files?
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[14:35] mikko
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shouldnt they be build by default when .dll is built?
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[14:36] mikko
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and can you use 64bit zeromq with 32bit python?
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[14:36] mikko
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pythonirc1011: that looks like you are building static libraries
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[14:36] mikko
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rather than dlls
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[14:37] pythonirc1011
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mikko: i can build dlls, no problem
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[14:37] mikko
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pythonirc1011: it seems that when i do the continous integration builds the dll and lib are built to same directory
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[14:37] mikko
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without using any special options
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[14:38] pythonirc1011
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but the pyzeromq, wants a .lib file --LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'libzmq.lib'
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[14:38] mikko
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pythonirc1011: yes, the build should generate you .lib and .dll into the lib/ directory
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[14:38] pythonirc1011
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mikko: In my case i only see the .dll built, no lib there...I changed the configuration to Release. Thats all i changed.
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[14:38] mikko
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hmm
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[14:39] mikko
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pythonirc1011: and thats 64bit build?
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[14:39] sustrik
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with msvc2008 the lib was generated alongside the dll
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[14:39] mikko
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do you need something special with 2010?
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[14:40] mikko
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im building with 2008 atm
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[14:40] sustrik
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maybe some msvc2010 quirk?
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[14:40] pythonirc1011
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no idea
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[14:40] mikko
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do we support 64bit windows?
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[14:40] sustrik
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no idea
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[14:40] sustrik
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some people complained
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[14:40] sustrik
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some have noted that the 64bit build it ok
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[14:40] mikko
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and i dont think 64bit zeromq works with 32bit python
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[14:41] sustrik
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i don't habe win64
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[14:41] sustrik
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so i can't check myself
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[14:41] pythonirc1011
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mikko: can i just build 32-bit zeromq on 64-bit machines?
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[14:41] mikko
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i think i got win7 64bit image somewhere
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[14:41] pythonirc1011
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I think i did...
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[14:41] mikko
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pythonirc1011: sure
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[14:41] pythonirc1011
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lemme try again
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[14:42] pythonirc1011
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building now
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[14:42] pythonirc1011
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only .dll file there
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[14:42] pythonirc1011
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win32 build + release -- no .lib there
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[14:43] mikko
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pythonirc1011: what does it say under Properties->Configuration Properties->Linker->Advanced
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[14:43] mikko
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and import library there
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[14:44] mikko
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foudn a reference online that it might be msvc2008 -> 2010 project conversion issue
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[14:44] pythonirc1011
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Import library there is void
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[14:44] pythonirc1011
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i can add something there...if you need me to
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[14:45] mikko
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libzmq.lib
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[14:45] mikko
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is what it should output
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[14:46] pythonirc1011
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mikko: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/323272/ -- no .lib file still
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[14:52] mikko
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pythonirc1011: see the error message
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[14:52] pythonirc1011
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ah! $(OutDir), $(TargetName) and $(TargetExt) match?
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[14:52] mikko
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maybe $(TargetName).lib
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[14:52] mikko
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as the import library name
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[14:54] pythonirc1011
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still trying to find where they are ...
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[14:55] mikko
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i dont have msvc2010 at hand here
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[14:56] pythonirc1011
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got it
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[14:57] pythonirc1011
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General->Taget Ext -> .lib (from .dll)
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[14:57] pythonirc1011
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that works
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[14:57] mikko
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ahmm
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[14:57] mikko
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did you rename the .dll to lib?
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[14:57] pythonirc1011
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i tried that...that didnt work
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[14:57] pythonirc1011
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pyzmq complained
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[14:58] mikko
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yes, because these are two different things
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[14:58] mikko
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import library and dll
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[14:58] pythonirc1011
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>>> import zmq --> Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> File "zmq\__init__.py", line 26, in <module> from zmq.utils import initthreads # initialize threads ImportError: cannot import name initthreads
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[14:58] mikko
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pythonirc1011: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/9yd93633%28v=vs.80%29.aspx
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[14:58] pythonirc1011
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could compile and install pyzmq, but now when i try to import, get this
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[14:58] mikko
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hmm
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[14:59] mikko
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did you download pyzmq matching 2.0.10 version?
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[14:59] pythonirc1011
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yes indeed
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[14:59] pythonirc1011
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zeromq-2.0.10 == pyzmq-2.0.10
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[14:59] mikko
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it tries to import something called "initthreads" ?
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[15:00] mikko
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from zmq.utils
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[15:00] pythonirc1011
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i did a python setup.py build_ext and python setup.py install...anything wrong there?
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[15:00] mikko
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pythonirc1011: not that i know of. however i dont really use python or windows
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[15:01] mikko
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the process we run for pyzmq on linux is
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[15:01] mikko
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python setup.py cython
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[15:01] mikko
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python setup.py build_ext
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[15:02] mikko
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python setup.py test
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[15:34] traviscline
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any instructions on running the pyzmq perf tests?
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[15:36] mikko
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none
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[15:40] traviscline
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but if anyone has a 'how to run' lemme know
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[15:43] pythonirc1011
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anyone using pyzeromq on win 7 + VS2010 + python 32-bit here?
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[15:53] traviscline
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figured it out
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[20:09] lt_schmidt_jr
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Hello
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[20:10] lt_schmidt_jr
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Looking for someone to shoot holes in an approach to implement pub/sub for web clients
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[20:11] s0undt3ch
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ppl, with 2.1.0, on the call socket.recv_pyobj() I'm getting:
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[20:11] s0undt3ch
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File "socket.pyx", line 657, in zmq.core.socket.Socket.recv_pyobj (zmq/core/socket.c:5470)
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[20:11] s0undt3ch
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File "socket.pyx", line 94, in zmq.core.socket.Socket.__cinit__ (zmq/core/socket.c:1036)
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[20:11] s0undt3ch
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TypeError: __cinit__() takes exactly 2 positional arguments (0 given)
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[20:11] s0undt3ch
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why is this!?
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[20:15] traviscline
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s0undt3ch: up to date with cython?
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[20:15] s0undt3ch
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traviscline: think so
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[20:15] s0undt3ch
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traviscline: at least, up to date with my distro's cython
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[20:15] traviscline
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built with 0.14 fine
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[20:15] s0undt3ch
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traviscline: and on another piece of code, it works good
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[20:19] Skaag
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lt_schmidt_jr: shoo
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[20:19] Skaag
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shoot
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[20:40] lt_schmidt_jr
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Thanks Skaag
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[20:40] Skaag
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lt_schmidt_jr: We actually are looking to implement the same, sort of a clone of pubnub.com
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[20:41] lt_schmidt_jr
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not familiar with that, but ours is domain specific to allow multiple clients to manipulate graph data
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[20:44] lt_schmidt_jr
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but the basic idea is to use Jetty Websocket (with Flash Socket when necessary) and have the instance specify what it is working on throgh the socket, establishing a pub and sub zeromq socket for each client and hooking it up using devices depending on deployment
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[20:44] lt_schmidt_jr
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single machine - no devices
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[20:44] lt_schmidt_jr
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using ICP (if I remember correctly)
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[20:44] lt_schmidt_jr
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sorry single machine - local device with interproc
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[20:45] lt_schmidt_jr
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multiple machines - somehow put the devices together
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[20:45] lt_schmidt_jr
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not sure how though
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[20:45] lt_schmidt_jr
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does this make any sense?
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[20:46] lt_schmidt_jr
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On my earlier comment about no devices - I don't think that is possible with many pubs and subs
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[20:47] lt_schmidt_jr
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unless they can discover each other somehow
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[20:48] lt_schmidt_jr
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I am thinking about using zookeeper perhaps at a later time
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[20:48] Skaag
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ok, we've been down the same road
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[20:48] Skaag
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at the moment, zookeeper is good for a fixed (unchanging) number of nodes
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[20:49] Skaag
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where it can help you, is in the notification on services that go up/down on those nodes
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[20:49] Skaag
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and in leader election, among the fixed set of nodes
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[20:52] lt_schmidt_jr
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Our number of nodes is fairly low (in terms of what we want to subscribe to)
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[20:53] lt_schmidt_jr
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we are thinking of it more like channels vs individual components
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[20:54] lt_schmidt_jr
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otherwise the client has to mirror whole state to the server
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[20:54] lt_schmidt_jr
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Skaag are you using a similar Java stack?
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[20:55] Skaag
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I'm not sure I understand how you use the term 'component'
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[20:56] lt_schmidt_jr
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leaf nodes , which are many - we are looking to route fairly close to the base of the tree - if that makes sense
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[20:56] Skaag
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also I recommend you make a spreadsheet to calculate data packet sizes, to avoid bottlenecks, and to properly shape your data structures/sizes, it helps a lot to manage expectations
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[20:56] Skaag
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(unrelated to the issue but important)
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[20:56] Skaag
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yes understood
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[20:57] lt_schmidt_jr
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I see
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[20:57] lt_schmidt_jr
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so you are currently using zookeeper?
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[20:57] Skaag
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not anymore
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[20:57] Skaag
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I installed it, tried it, and found out it does not know how to add new nodes to the cluster
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[20:58] Skaag
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the list of nodes is hardcoded in a config file
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[20:58] Skaag
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quite annoying, and kinda defeating the purpose in my opinion
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[20:58] lt_schmidt_jr
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you are talking about Zookeeper nodes?
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[20:58] Skaag
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well in our case the idea was that machines would suddenly show up in a cluster
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[20:59] Skaag
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now I have some idea about using some sort of gnutella variant :-)
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[20:59] Skaag
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decentralized, etc.
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[20:59] lt_schmidt_jr
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interesting
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[21:00] lt_schmidt_jr
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so do you have a similar topology with many publishers and subscribers on the same channels?
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[21:00] Skaag
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yes
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[21:00] Skaag
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at the moment, we have a POC cluster of 16 nodes
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[21:00] Skaag
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it's tiny
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[21:00] Skaag
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we used Rabbitmq-server at first
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[21:00] Skaag
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but I was told by one of their team members that 16 nodes is considered a large cluster for them
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[21:00] lt_schmidt_jr
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I see
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[21:00] Skaag
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and since we're looking to scale to thousands of nodes, we had to abandon it
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[21:01] lt_schmidt_jr
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I was looking at RabbitMq and XMPP pubsub initially
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[21:01] lt_schmidt_jr
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as well
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[21:01] Skaag
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same here
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[21:01] lt_schmidt_jr
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how are you bridging pubsub between nodes?
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[21:01] Skaag
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this is at the moment done naively
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[21:02] lt_schmidt_jr
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are you also using a forwarder on each machine
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[21:02] lt_schmidt_jr
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?
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[21:02] Skaag
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all nodes are publishing to all nodes with zmq
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[21:02] Skaag
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yes with forwarders
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[21:02] lt_schmidt_jr
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this is too funny
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[21:03] lt_schmidt_jr
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so 2 forwarders per machine?
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[21:03] lt_schmidt_jr
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one in each direction?
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[21:03] Skaag
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I need to check with my team member who implemented that part
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[21:03] Skaag
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(we're a tiny team)
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[21:04] lt_schmidt_jr
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I am a team of 1 right now, building a small POC
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[21:04] lt_schmidt_jr
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are you also using jetty - or are you non-http system?
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[21:07] Skaag
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yes we plan to use jetty
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[21:08] Skaag
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since we are 99% java based
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[21:08] lt_schmidt_jr
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Have you looked at Atmosphere?
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[21:08] lt_schmidt_jr
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its attractive, but I am not sure that frameworks fits well with zmq
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[21:29] Skaag
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no I haven't
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[21:29] Skaag
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checking it out
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[21:37] mikko
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good evening
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[21:37] lt_schmidt_jr
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Hello
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[21:37] mikko
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sustrik_: there?
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[22:03] lt_schmidt_jr
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Skaag, what is your application doing, if you don't mind me asking?
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[22:04] Skaag
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the system that uses zmq is intended to send/collect statistics information and aggregate them into a single body of statistical data
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[22:04] Skaag
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then inject it back to all nodes via same route
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[22:05] lt_schmidt_jr
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I see
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[22:06] mikko
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Skaag: you went ahead with the POC?
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[22:07] Skaag
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yes
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[22:07] mikko
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how is it working?
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[22:07] Skaag
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we are launching it tomorrow, hopefully
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[22:07] Skaag
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so far so good!
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[22:08] lt_schmidt_jr
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that is encouraging to hear
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[22:11] lt_schmidt_jr
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Skaag, what versions are you running for zmq and jzmq?
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[22:11] Skaag
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the very latest I guess
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[22:25] pythonirc101
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is it easy to use zeromq to communicate between machines behind nats?
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[22:30] pythonirc101
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anyone using pyzmq on win 7 here?
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[22:40] traviscline
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\whois beppu
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[22:40] traviscline
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whoops
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[22:40] traviscline
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does anyone know if MinRK (benjamin) or Brian Granger hang out in here?
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[22:40] traviscline
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looking for pyzmq authors
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[22:41] mikko
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traviscline: they do occasionally
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[22:42] traviscline
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cool, thanks
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[22:42] mikko
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mr granger is bgranger
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[22:42] mikko
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and MinRK is MinRK
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[22:42] traviscline
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failing with some cython interop stuff and wanted to toss some Qs their way
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[22:42] traviscline
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rgr
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[23:10] traviscline
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pushed gevent compat with very basic cython support -- if any cython folks have input/critique please provide https://github.com/traviscline/gevent-zeromq
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[23:57] andrewvc
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cremes: around?
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